Name: Thomas Moore Rank/Branch: E6/US Air Force Unit: Date of Birth: 09 December 1929 Home City of Record: Baton Rouge LA Date of Loss: 31 October 1965 Country of Loss: South Vietnam Loss Coordinates: 10400N 1070000E (YS224805) Status (in 1973): Prisoner of War Category: 1 Acft/Vehicle/Ground: Ford Truck Other Personnel in Incident: Charles Dusing;
REMARKS: 6512 DIC-ON PRG DIC LIST
Source: Compiled from one or more of the following: raw data from U.S. Government agency sources, correspondence with POW/MIA families, published sources, interviews. Updated by the P.O.W. NETWORK 2009.
SYNOPSIS: On October 31, 1965, four U.S. Air Force personnel were captured while traveling by truck from Vung Tau to Saigon. This incident occurred on Route 15 at grid coordinates YS224805, just on the border of Binh Hoa and Gia Dinh Provinces of South Vietnam. The individuals involved in this incident are SSgt. Samuel Adams, SSgt. Charles Dusing, TSgt. Thomas Moore, and SSgt, Jasper Page.
On November 2, 1965, while being taken to a detention camp, Jasper Page, managed to escape and return to U.S. control. It was reported that Samuel Adams had been shot during the same escape that freed Page, but a defector identified Adams' photo as a prisoner at a later date. CIA's analysis of this identification has been inconclusive. The names of all three appeared on the died in captivity list furnished by the Provisional Revolutionary Government (PRG) in 1973 at the Paris Peace Accords. The list reflected that they had died during December 1965, but no details were given.
When 591 Americans were released at the end of the war in 1973, Adams, Dusing and Moore were not among them; their names were on a list. No bodies were returned to their families, even though the Vietnamese clearly know where to find the three men. Since that time, Vietnam has doled out handfuls of remains as the political atmosphere seemed appropriate, but Adams, Dusing and Moore remain unaccounted for.
The three are among nearly 2500 Americans who remain missing in Indochina. Unlike "MIA's" from other wars, most of these men can be accounted for. Tragically, over 8000 reports concerning Americans still in Southeast Asia have been received by the U.S. since the end of the war. Experts say that the evidence is overwhelming that Americans were left behind in enemy hands. It's time we brought our men home.
=============================== From: "Moore, Nora D Ms EAMC" To: "'firstname.lastname@example.org'" <email@example.com> Subject: I wrote this last night, it came all of a sudden and i wanted to share it Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 08:20:37 -0400
I am the daughter of a forgotten HERO. I am the daughter of an Airman who gave his life and his freedom for me.
In the most feeble attempts of writing this I can only hope that when someone reads it that they attempt to understand my feelings, I can not write for my sisters, I can not write for the other children of war, I can however bring to the fore front the differences between Killed in Action and Missing in Action.
There are many Americans who do not have the littlest idea of what it is like to try to comprehend what war does to children, from the smallest toddler to the oldest child who tries to understand why my daddy went away.
I have wonderful friends who know what it is like to loose a parent, many whose parent was lost to heart attacks, car crashes, and suicides. These friends and I acknowledge each other's lost and understand the loneliness of being without mom or dad. However there are only a few of us who understand those loses coming from war. We all share in the same questions, the same heartaches, and the same wishes. The biggest shared question being the "What If".
I have read so many stories from the Children of the Wall, Children of the Vietnam War dead. The ones whose names are forever carved into black granite. Well over 58,000 names of men and women, who stand vigil night and day to remind those who pass in front of them That Freedom has a price, and that price is not money, but blood of fellow Americans.
Reading stories from Vets, history and other materials is what has educated us to believe many things about Vietnam. Some good and some bad. Movies have done the same.
I was a young girl of 11 when my dad went into his Missing in Action status. Later it was confirmed that enemy forces while returning to base after a 24-hour pass had captured him and three of his friends.
My dad and the others in the wrong place at the wrong time. No way to defend themselves, nor did they have the chance.
A simple return to base that ended up a terrifying event.
Years have gone by, which in turn have turned in to decades. My sisters and I have families of our own, and my father has grandchildren and a great grand son. Yet there is still the man who is Missing.
I remember like other children of our time the Yellow Cab delivering the telegram, the one that makes mom cry out a very heart-breaking sob.
I remember like others those words, We regret to Inform you...
And the other words depending on the status were either, your husband has been Killed in Action or is Missing in Action.
This is where my story will differ from other Sons and Daughters of the Vietnam war, except for a small number. As you see there are less that 2,000 men still listed now has Missing in Action. So that means we MIA kids are very few, the forgotten ones.
When my dad went Missing I remember asking the big question of my 11 years.
What do you mean my daddy is missing, and why can't they find him. How do you lose a grown up man, . This followed me all my life, even after growing up , it is hard to understand why my dad and the other MIA's cannot be accounted for. And it is really hard to understand if it is the men who were last seen alive.
Year after Year, the haunting realization comes, daddy is not coming home.
Yet there is no body to bury, there is no funeral, there is not a grave to visit, there is nothing. NO closure.
We were and are still expected to take the harsh reality of our dads Missing in Action and to get on with our life's. And WE DID. With little of no help from any one but our moms and each other , but the each other only came after we were grown.
Our country was torn apart by Vietnam, our flag was burned by Americans, men and women protested our presence in South East Asia, some dodged the draft, and those who went to served were spat upon when they returned,. They were called baby killers, and no one wanted any thing to do with them, no ticker tape parades no welcome homes.
Coffins with flags draped on them returned to American soil and the children grieved, and said good-bye to daddy.
Yet those whose bodies did not come home were never thought about except by the families and friends. There were those who were Killed in Action bodies not recovered or returned but evidence to the fact that they indeed were killed. Those families are like us MIA families. They have the that same haunting feeling, could my dad still be really alive.
Telegrams came, in the thousands, widows were made, and children grew up to fast.
My mom got hers, and I grew up, the oldest of three girls is not easy. My Christmas's Turned into learning how to put toys together, and wrap gives that Santa is supposed to do.
I even learned how to change fuses at 11, and by the time I was 14 I could change the oil in the car.
Yet I was protected somewhat by my mom, she did a great job raising my sisters and me, the best she could do. Yet she could not stop those who told me my dad was also a baby killer, who spat on my sisters, and me or who told me my dad deserved everything he got.
That is hard to understand when you are a little girl, still hard for me to understand now.
Plus mom told us to not talk about dads case, as she said it might not be good for those men who are POW's and if daddy is a POW we don't want to jeopardize his coming home.
Neither was it a good idea to talk with men who had been over there because we don't what to upset them. Whether or not those men were uncles or even cousins.
Now years later we have talked with the men who served and came home , we learned about our dads, and we learned about Vietnam. The men were just as glad to talk as we were to listen.
Yet there is still a difference in the MIA kid, we talk to the Vets, we listen to them, we ask them questions and they help a lot.
We share our stories with others , but our dad's stories are as some would like to say still to political. So not to many people will ask us to speak at functions, yet we still hear, get over it.
We truly have no real place in the Vietnam organizations out there, and don't get me wrong, there are a few that we belong to. Yet I can truthfully say there is fewer that really recognizes who we are. There are those who say that they are working towards the POW MIA issue , but only use it to benefit them when it is needed.
No one knows what it is like to live year after year wondering where is my dad but the MIA child, no one can even come near telling me they understand unless it is another MIA kid.
No one but the MIA child or family member knows what the Missing Man Formation means unless you lost your dad to a plane crash some where and his remains were never found, or a small hand full of broken fragments comes decades later. No on but the MIA child or family member understands the Table Ceremony for the POW MIA , no one but the loved one who sits in silence with a tear as the meaning is read.
To feel happiness and jealously at the same time is another feeling that is something we deal with , happiness when another MIA is found , recovered, and returned to his home land and to his children and loved one, jealousy when you want so much to be standing the same way, Watching a flag draped coffin being so gently carried to a final resting place ,wishing it was your turn to say good-bye.
To my fellow MIA sisters and Brothers, we are very special, we are children who have kept the eternal flame alive that our dads gave us when he became our dad.
Our dads may have been forgotten, by the general population, and we may but a few, but we have a voice and we have the time to make sure we continue the legacy our moms put before us.
As this memorial day approaches we all need to remember.
Diane Moore Proud Daughter of CMSGT THOMAS MOORE-USAF POW-MIA unaccounted for October 31 1965
Thomas Moore was the only T/sgt at the time of the capture, the others were S/sgt. Of course all of their ranks are now CMS(E9). And of course Jasper Page is a retiree.
Also you may put my email addy on the bio << firstname.lastname@example.org>>
From: "Diane" <email@example.com> To: <firstname.lastname@example.org> Subject: Dads case Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 20:58:25 -0400
After a long time of waiting and instance, during the annual National League of POW MIA family meetings last week in DC. It looks like it is finally going to take place. It has been scheduled that the POSSIBLE burial site in the ivestigations on dad and the other two is to be excavted next spring ,With the date of March/April time frame. Will keep all posted on the situation as i learn . Just wanted to let friends and family know so that the prayers can hopefully bring us our long desired dream of bringing daddy home
================ From: "Diane" <email@example.com> Subject: In the news, Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2006 02:10:46 -0500
The below link will take you to a video. that was shown on NBC.Chris almost didn't see it as he was getting ready for work this evening and listening to the TV and got it when a reporter began talking about 4 captured Americans in Vietnam in 1965, that one escaped, and the other 3 had been shot.
I had no idea it was being done as I had been told the excavation was on to be done in the spring. By the time I got to the bedroom and caught the last part they were showing the screening 1/4 inch screens, and the name of the area they were doing this dig in was the Dong Nai Provience. TADA. it gives no names, but beyound a shadow of a doubt that are talking about daddy's case.
BAM BAM, i guess JPAC doesn't think families watch news and can put 2+2 together enough to fiqure our loved one's site when it is shown on TV national news stories. You'd think that they could give us just a little call or email and tell us. So it doesn't have the shocking tazor effect.
Any way they are digging, and please keep this team in your prayers , for their safety and for our luck. And that this hard work will yeild this precious treasure that they are seeking.That this ground will give us what is left of daddy, and the others.
If what you want lies buried, dig until you find it.
============================= From: "Diane" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Subject: NBC follows through/excavation Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 23:56:27 -0500
As most of you know NBC aired the excavation process of a possible burial site in Vietnam on November 18th. This story was done with knowledge to our family or the families of the other men who were with my dad when the were captured in 1965. Many of you have seen the footage. It was very well done.
I contacted the Air Force on Monday morning asking why we the family had not been told. The Air Force themselves did not know. But assured me they would follow through and have answers for me as soon as they could get them from officials in Hawaii. ( which is 6 hours behind). I thank them, and told them I would also be working with sources to find out why a news event had covered this important detail on my father which I had been told was scheduled for Spring 2007. And why we were not told of a media event .
I began the investigative process and also contacted NBC. By the afternoon on Monday, I had spoken with government officials and was told policies were followed, no names had been used and even though the case was unique and the only one like it in the entire Vietnam War, families did not have to be informed. Nor was it policy to inform families of changes in excavations , schedules or what is happening during the excavation. Even though they knew we would know it was our loved ones case.
By then NBC and I have communicated. and they have become interested in the whole story. and wanted to do a follow through, which took place last night.
It is my hopes as I have told them that our family was extremely upset in how this was handled. We as families should be allowed to be given the right to choose to be notified of pending excavations and what is happening during them. the PNOK's (primary next of kin) often makes choices that is difficult to say the least , but when it becomes national or international knowledge then family should be informed first.
On Sunday evening Dec. 3rd at 630pm eastern time, my interview with NBC will air.
I hope it will give in the spirit for all the families as well as for my family and the other 2 families involved in our unique case of our fathers how we felt when we saw the excavation on National TV first. I know speaking with Sam Adams Jr. and I were saying the same words at the same time.
love to all of you who fight for the POW MIA issue and who have family members still unaccounted for.
If what you want lies buried, dig until you find it.
------------------------------------------ From: "Diane" <email@example.com> To: "P.O.W. Network - Chuck and Mary Schantag" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Subject: Don't remember if I sent these or not Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 21:36:17 -0500
Chuck and Mary,
I am not sure if I sent these to you while things were hot. But now that things have quieted down a bit I remembered I needed to check to see if you all knew what had happened.
On Nov 18th. Chris called out to me to hurry to the bedroom. It looked like they were excavating my dads site. Low and behold yep they were doing the proposed area in questioned. The one I have been so hard to fight for. And finally got a date at the last League meetings in June for schuedule for Spring 2007.
Not one word to any one of the three families involved in the case the below clip showed on NBC nightly news.
The day was a Sat. and of course I was not going to find any one until Monday. When I called the USAF, they were as clueless as I was. But informed me I would get my answers by the afternoon.
The short of it, from the Government in high places. Being that no names were used, all polices were followed. And an "We're sorry".
By midweek i had also contacted NBC through email and they kindly contacted me, with such kindness and apologies I was truely taken aback.
They became very interested in the daughter side of the story and sent a crew from Atlanta to do a follow up to the first piece.
Here are the links since they are still able to be seen.
6:26 PM Sep 18, 2009
POW-MIA Remembrance Day held at Fort Gordon
Woman keeps the memory of her missing father alive
It's a ceremony about recognition and respect for the U.S.military. Friday is National POW-MIA Recognition Day. Diane Moore was at the ceremony. Her father has been missing for 44 years.Posted: 6:11 PM Sep 18, 2009
Reporter: Melissa Tune
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News 12 First at Five, September 18,2009
FORT GORDON, Ga. --- It's a ceremony about recognition and respect for the U.S.military. Friday is National POW-MIA Recognition Day.
Diane Moore was at the ceremony. Her father has been
Chief Master Sgt. Thomas Moore disappeared in South Vietnam on Halloween 1965. He is believed to have been ambushed by Vietcong. He and three others were held captive. One of his comrades escaped and is still in close contact with his daughter Diane Moore.
Never forgetting those who didn't return and remembering her father has been Moore's mission in life.
"My dad is still missing in action,"says Moore. "It is so important the American people understand that not all of them came home."
For the past 44 years one of the biggest priorities for Moore has been keeping alive the memory of her father, an airman presumed to be MIA. Moore remembers the day she learned her father was missing.
"That telegram, and reading that telegram, stays in my head," she says. "There's still that little eleven-year-old girl inside my heart."
A POW-MIA ceremony was held at Fort Gordon at the POW memorial. Service members from all major campaigns and a few international service members attended. Vietnam Veterans Allen Hawkes and Ed Knight both had comrades who didn't return home.
"They're still part of our group part of our heritage, our brothers and sisters, and we need to find them," says Knight. "There needs to be closure for the families."
Allen Hawkes adds, "We are brothers forever."
Over the years, Moore says she sees her father in the faces of these veterans and knowing they served with him has helped ease the pain of missing him.
"I've had several emails and phone calls from other people who were stationed with him who have said, oh your dad was great, he was my mentor, we're so sorry that he has not returned we wish he had," says Moore. "I am proud of him, he's a hero."
Most service members also remember POWs and MIAs at other occasions like official military dinners. There is a display, usually a table setting place for the POW and MIA. It is set for six - the empty places represent Americans still missing from each of the five services -- Army, Navy, Marine Corps, Air Force, Coast Guard and civilians. This honor symbolizes that they are still with us -- in spirit.